"Where Blastoise Aims His Cannons" ft. CaminoPreacher59 | TRAINER'S EYE #180

TRAINER'S EYE #180 - CaminoPreacher59

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CaminoPreacher59: This is Camino Preacher 59, and this is my Pokemon story.

Spinning in your favorite theater so Let me over your mind

So

I'll go it looks anything is here

David Hernandez: Welcome to As The Pokeball Ball Turns, where every voice, every journey, and every memory brings us closer to the world of Pokemon. David Hernandez, and I'm joined by somebody who was mentioned in a previous episode here to share. Their side of things.

If you had listened to Harry the [00:01:00] Hitchen, you may have heard how he was given a game designed for his accessibility, and here is the man behind who made it, the reason why he made it and his own Pokemon story. Camino Preacher 59. Welcome to As The Pokeball Turns.

CaminoPreacher59: Thank you so.

David Hernandez: So much for having. Absolutely, and it's been a long time coming, you know, I'm coming back from a hiatus.

We've been back and forth trying to do this episode and I guess I want to kind of bring people to up to Speed who maybe haven't heard that episode. So from what I understand and you know, help me in fill in the gaps, Harry him on Chan. He's a guy who was in a wheelchair. He shared his Pokemon story a couple episodes ago.

If you've listened to it, if not, go listen to it. It's a very inspirational story, but. You are the man who actually designed the game for him. I guess that made him feel more seen as a person in a wheelchair. Is that kind of fair to say? Can you gimme your perspective on

CaminoPreacher59: Uh, yeah, we, um, we actually touch base on, um. A mutual Facebook group. And later on Discord, uh, he played a couple of my other [00:02:00] rom hacks that I had made, and he reached out and wanted to know if I could make, in this case, it was a, uh, fire red hack. Uh, wanted to know if I could put the protagonist in this case, it was red and leaf in, uh, wheelchairs.

And it was, uh, it was a simple Sprite, uh, work. So I, I was able to do that for him. And yeah, it was, uh, it turned out really well. Um, I put, uh. The wheelchair, uh, protagonist, and I put, uh, we'll just call 'em wheel based Pokemon in there. So Marie spiel, uh, fan p and I gave him all rollout in the beginning, so had to throw some humor in there, but he was, he was stoked about it and I was definitely glad to, glad to be able to do that for him.

David Hernandez: What made you kind of wanna dive into this? Because, you know, he just came in saying like, Hey, could you just make it based around, you know, me being a wheelchair? What kind of wants you to do that for just not only the protagonist, or, I'm sorry, the characters, but also The Pokeball themselves. Well,

CaminoPreacher59: Well, I mean, I figured if, uh, we're gonna go do a theme, I mean, why not? Why not go all in?

, There was no real dialogue changes you, um, it's literally just fire red, but you're in a wheelchair and you get those, yeah. [00:03:00] Based Pokemon essentially. And I did put a few extra events in there, but nothing, nothing game changing. I built it off of my Fire Red Legends hack, which is essentially for any people to play rom hacks out there.

It's a poor man's ultraviolet. It's um, gen's one to three. You can complete the polka deck without trading. I made trades. Contingent on level or stone, so no, no trading needed. So you can complete the national decks Legitly. It has a physical special split, and I just built the, one I made for Harry was called A Rolling Thunder, by the way.

And we, uh, it just built on my original one

and I just added those changes I just told you about. So you can also, uh, you can buy TMS from the beginning And you can also, uh, get a little care package with rare candies and items. Again, if you, if you want to speed, run it, cool. If you don't, you can grind it out, but I just wanted to give people that option.

But yeah, he, uh, he was really, really stoked about it and I, you know, when I get into a project like that, I tend to kind of. Go all in. And I, I asked him, I said, there's, [00:04:00] there's a couple of points there with, I added some, some humor in there. And he, he was a really good sport with, with the humor and everything, and he, yeah, it was, it worked out really well.

David Hernandez: Last question before we dive into your.

experience with Pokemon. You know, when you gave up round hack to him, how did it kind of feel to see how he reacted and, you know, seeing him, I guess smile and be, enjoy the humor in that

CaminoPreacher59: Did he, he, it was, it was so sobering. I mean, it was, it really, it really felt like, you know, Hey, I can make a difference here. Why not? And, I was glad, I was glad to be able to do that for him, man. I mean, I, I can't, uh, I can't put myself in his shoes, but I mean, being, restricted, As he is. I mean, he, he even told me just he would just play

and he would just roll around like as the protagonist in the grass and just, just take it in. I'm like, man, that's, that's awesome. Um, so yeah, it, it was great. It was great.

David Hernandez: Well, thanks for sharing that side of things, but let's dive into your experience real quick. We'll come back to the whole rom hacks later. And your other, projects. So what's your experience with Pokemon?

Where does this whole little, uh, shindig [00:05:00] begin? What's your first experience with Pokemon?

CaminoPreacher59: Oh man, I, I've, I've been around since day one. Um, I had, uh, blue version, my brother had red

David Hernandez: read.

CaminoPreacher59: saw Pokemon, the first movie in theaters, the, the whole nine. Um, so yeah, pretty much been there, been there since the beginning. Um, it's been, been a fun ride, rod.

David Hernandez: Now, I know you said, uh, on your submission form, uh, but you just meant to me on my

CaminoPreacher59: Mm-hmm.

David Hernandez: how the first movie had a quote that you enjoy that kind of, I guess, impacted you in a way. Could you give some insight for people who know about that?

CaminoPreacher59: Oh yeah, it's the, uh, the me two quote that, um, a lot of Pokemon fans tend to like, it's like, um, I see now the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant, is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are. And I'm pretty sure that resonated with a whole generation of people. Pokemon fan or not.

David Hernandez: what about that quote resonated with you? Like how do you take it?

CaminoPreacher59: Oh, well, I mean, in my personal experience, I was, uh, I was actually born three months premature. Um, one pound, 11 ounces and a incubator tank for about three months. Um, I was blind completely in my left eye, and I'm very nearsighted in my right. So it's one of those where given certain restrictions, limitations I've [00:06:00] had,

that really

David Hernandez: really

CaminoPreacher59: to me as far as,

David Hernandez: as,

CaminoPreacher59: okay, it's

David Hernandez: it's

CaminoPreacher59: is, is what you make it

David Hernandez: you.

CaminoPreacher59: so you Have a choice. You can have your pity party and make your excuses, or you can step out and take a chance and yeah, I'm slowly learning to the latter.

David Hernandez: It's so important to kind of feel that empowered, I guess, to kind of be able to make your own story because you know, people who have disabilities or who aren't, I guess quote unquote perfect. Right. Who aren't the ideal shape or the ideal, you know, body fixture, they're always kind of viewed as less than both from society as well as just individual side.

Right.

CaminoPreacher59: Right.

David Hernandez: But for you. you know, some of myself and other people, we kind of have to learn that, you know, we are dealt the cards that we're dealt with with for a reason.

CaminoPreacher59: Absolutely.

David Hernandez: And we just gotta make deal with what it is because, you know, people aren't gonna feel sorry for you. I mean, well they will for a bit,

but it's not gonna make things better, if that makes sense.

CaminoPreacher59: it does. But you also, it, it's, it's amazing how what we view as a limitation can be used to. Essentially reach people who otherwise you wouldn't have been able to [00:07:00] reach. I mean, whatever you go through, you can speak to something in a way that somebody else that's not in that situation would just couldn't.

David Hernandez: When it came to Pokemon, you know, you talked about how you were watching the movie. Did that translate into the games at all? Where did that go? After the first movie.

CaminoPreacher59: I mean, as a, as a kid, you know, I was, this is right about the time, you know, Google, everything was kicking off. So a lot of people were confused with, I'll say the. Movie and anime continuity versus the game continuity. 'cause those are two totally different things. But, uh, but yeah, I, uh, I did the games and, uh, the last, one I actually played fully was, uh, soul Silver.

I, I fell off after Fire, red and Emerald Sapphire and came back for the so Silver remake. 'cause that was Gen two was my favorite.

But anything beyond that. I, I'm aware of the memes, but I haven't actually played all the way through. So, uh, once I found out you could do the RO hacking stuff. That's kind of when it took off for me and I used, uh, fire Red in this case, 'cause that was the one I was most familiar with, and just kind of took off and [00:08:00] thought about, okay, so when I was a kid, when I was playing the game, you know, what did I wanna see?

Or what did I wanna be able to do? What made sense, what didn't make sense?

 So one of the first things I did

was.

I got in there and I hacked it and I put mu under the truck because that was one of the big lies. We were told, we were told on the playground, was the truck? Like, no, he not. Yeah, we're, we're gonna fix that right now.

Um, but even the event specific, uh, tickets for, uh, what was it? Naval Rock and Birth Island. Uh, they were n Nintendo events. Those were actually coded in the game. They were soft coded, so I was able to find it. All I had to do was activate 'em. So they're there, they just had to be brought up. So those are, uh, those are able to be accessed as well.

And I was just,

David Hernandez: wow.

CaminoPreacher59: was just spit balling with that. I didn't even know that would work. I'm like, okay, well, there we go.

David Hernandez: Well, as for me, like I remember those islands. I'm like, I can't access, because I think those are only, if you went to like the, the Nintendo store

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: like that, it was a very, uh, location specific

CaminoPreacher59: Mm-hmm.

David Hernandez: type of event.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: But I always remember watching the videos. I'm like, man, I wish I could just [00:09:00] experience it just to be able to complete the public.

'cause it always drove me nuts how I couldn't get the oxys or how I couldn't get ache or mu and all that.

CaminoPreacher59: I think you could do it with a game shark or something equivalent to it. But what they, what they would do is if you cheated to get it, they had a little code in the, in there where The Pokeball would not obey you. So if it was me or Deiss, and I actually had to get on the discord and touch base with a couple of, uh, other friends who were in the hacking community and they were able to.

Help me work around that, but yeah, I had no idea. I'm oh.

David Hernandez: what do you remember most about, I guess since it sounds like you have a very fondness for Gen one and two specifically, what do you remember most about those games that you enjoyed compared to the other generations that you just don't connect with?

CaminoPreacher59: Um, well, I wouldn't say didn't connect with, I just kind of,

life happened. I kind of just fell off. But, canto, I mean, obviously canto with gen one, it was nostalgia, but gen two, it had more of an ambiance about it. And just the mythical beast, for example, or I'm sorry, the legendary beast with, uh, the dogs and cevy.

and being that, I guess direct sequel to Gen [00:10:00] one and of course Red being the final boss, that just brought it all full circle for me. and yeah, just

that feeling of the day, night cycle was really neat too. 

David Hernandez: that day night cycle was life changing 'cause it was kind of cool. Specifically just the daytime was cool enough as it is. 'cause it was kind of regular.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: I, like, I freaked out like a little kid. Like I was a kid.

CaminoPreacher59: Oh yeah.

David Hernandez: I freaked out like a geek

CaminoPreacher59: Oh, dude, I had to,

David Hernandez: nighttime. It was so awesome seeing that dark blue.

CaminoPreacher59: well, you had to, you had to like get up. I mean, it was, it was an actual clock, so Yeah. You had to wake up at, in the morning at to catch a certain, yeah, it was great. Um, but the, uh, one thing that bothered me though with gen two specifically was the gym leaders. They had a lot of canto Pokemon, like the first time he, to Faulkner, he had Pigeon.

Pigeon. Why, why don't you have hoot or al.

David Hernandez: exactly. Yeah.

CaminoPreacher59: Obviously I fixed that in my hacks, but either way. Okay. Well we're gonna, we're gonna fix that too. But, um,

David Hernandez: Right.

CaminoPreacher59: but yeah, it's just little, little, little things like, and even when they didn't have the physical special split, I noticed certain Pokemon that had, say high physical attack versus high special.

Uh, let's [00:11:00] see.

David Hernandez: probably sneeze. Usually the common one I go to.

CaminoPreacher59: Oh, absolutely. Um, well play, uh, play the hack and you start off with s.

David Hernandez: Mm. Yeah.

CaminoPreacher59: It would give like a special attacker, like Nile, physical attacks, and obviously it's physical attack, nothing special. So I would change it. I'd give him air cutter instead of wing attack. Just little, little changes like that that would compliment their

stats that are already there.

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David Hernandez: Before we get into the ROM hacks, you know you have so much experience with [00:12:00] Pokemon. Let's dive into what your favorite Pokemon is and why

CaminoPreacher59: gotta pick one.

David Hernandez: pick one. Yeah.

CaminoPreacher59: Oh God. Um,

David Hernandez: I mean, you can pick multiple if you want to or give the reasons why.

CaminoPreacher59: um, oh man. Uh, I'll, I'll go with my top three.

number one, blast. He's got cannons on his back. Why not? That was my, on my day one. Um, number two is Donvan just because it's a tire elephant. And when, when he pulled up in the first movie that just, everybody in the theater just freaked out. All it was, nobody knew who he was.

I mean, everybody was still stuck.

David Hernandez: Yeah.

CaminoPreacher59: Still stuck on the whole PIKA blue thing and you know, Nintendo magazine. But yeah, Don pulled up was like, oh wow, that's, um, and my third one would probably be gold duck.

David Hernandez: Oh, that's interesting one. Why gold duck.

CaminoPreacher59: I mean, he's a watertight, but he can use psychic attacks and he is really versatile. His stats aren't, nothing special, but yeah, just a cool, just a cool bird.

David Hernandez: Did you use them through Playthroughs? I assume

CaminoPreacher59: I did.

David Hernandez: when it came to like fan finding, fan fee, my always concern was always fan fee was running. 'cause I think that was the first time Pokemon ever did f fleeing [00:13:00] Pokemon.

Besides

CaminoPreacher59: Right, right.

David Hernandez: It did,

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah. They, they, um,

David Hernandez: uh,

CaminoPreacher59: I think was that gen two? Yeah, they did flee. That's right, because the dogs, yeah.

David Hernandez: Yeah, that's What was wondering when you found ppe, did it flee from you for the first time or did you actually catch it right away?

CaminoPreacher59: Uh, I, that was on Route 45, I believe. That was south of Blackthorn City and Silver, I think. Uh.

David Hernandez: Um,

CaminoPreacher59: By the way, I put him down a little further so you can catch him early in the game. Again, you got a lot of late game Pokemon. I mean, why you got Merrow and Hound Hour and Canto is beyond me because it's post game.

But anyway, moving along. Um,

David Hernandez: I agree. Yeah.

CaminoPreacher59: uh, I don't remember anything fleeing from me unless it was Safari zone or the dogs, honestly.

David Hernandez: Mm. Okay. I mean, oh, you're lucky. 'cause my fan fee flea. That's why I never got it for the first generation. I never got in that game. I got it later on, obviously,

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: my fan fee flea, I'm like, ah, damn it.

CaminoPreacher59: Right, right, right. Yeah. like the 1%, like the smaller, uh, and of course they introduced Shinies and Gen two as well, and I didn't know, I didn't know what they were. Um, so again, pre, [00:14:00] pre-internet, so it's like, what's wrong with this one? It's, it's sick. Okay. The game's glitching.

Let me just reset that. But yeah, dude, I, I found that a buddy of mine told me, he's like, you got a shiny, I'm like, what's a shiny, oh, no.

David Hernandez: Yeah, and they don't explain it either. 'cause

CaminoPreacher59: No.

David Hernandez: I think the mystery of the Red Garrett is, but you don't know. It's actually a shiny Pokemon, if I'm not mistaken.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah. Until he shows up on screen. When you battle, you're like, Hey, he's red. yeah,

David Hernandez: Yeah, it was life changing.

CaminoPreacher59: what wasn't there? Well, aren't shiny stat. I don't know this, but aren't shiny stats a little lower than

David Hernandez: Yes, in gen two, only because the way they determined shiny Pokemon. Um, nowadays I think it's Ivys. Well, no, nowadays it's not tied to Ivys, but back in the day, it was tied to DVD value

CaminoPreacher59: Okay.

David Hernandez: DV value of a shiny pokemon's always gonna be weaker than the regular one to order for it to be shiny. So shiny Pokemon and Gen two only,

CaminoPreacher59: Huh?

David Hernandez: you know, this is The Pokeball quiz nerd kind of thing.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: weaker than the actual kind.

CaminoPreacher59: Right.

David Hernandez: Yep.

CaminoPreacher59: Okay. Okay, that makes sense.

David Hernandez: All right. You're the other push I've ever met who know that, that's kind of cool.

CaminoPreacher59: Like I said, I try, I try to [00:15:00] do my homework, man, when I was doing my hacking, I, I gotta, gotta keep it as, you know, official and as I can without Nintendo coming after me, you know?

David Hernandez: Well, let's go ahead and dive in a little bit of the, you know, the, you trying to make the RO hacks and you making these games. Let's start with the question first. Why did you want to even, you know, dive into this to begin with?

CaminoPreacher59: Uh, well first of all, it was, it was a hobby and it was something, Hey, I can do this. And, you know, being a fan, I'm like, huh, I wonder how far I can take it.

David Hernandez: can

CaminoPreacher59: I love a good

David Hernandez: a

CaminoPreacher59: single player campaign. I love a good story, and I've always loved. Any game with a rival in this. So Pokemon, I also do Sylvania hacks by the way.

But, um, but anything with an alternate perspective and where I can kind of

get an alternate story going and kind of keep that

same momentum. But, you know, just like in comics, you know, meanwhile this is happening along the same vein and try to keep it as in line as I can. Uh, so It was a hobby.

It was a hobby, but it was also kind of like a discipline really, for the, blue and [00:16:00] silver for example. But honestly, silver was probably my favorite

because obviously, I mean, blue, blue was a dick, but he has his, you know, his, his grandpa couldn't remember his name and, you know, just kind of flew off the rails from there.

And I, I know it's not official, but

Red killed eradicate. You can't change my mind on it. So. So,

David Hernandez: Eradicate rest in peace.

CaminoPreacher59: oh, oh, he, he, he's not, he's not gone.

No, no spoilers. But yeah, he, he's not gone anyway.

David Hernandez: Oh, and okay. Near where, how he lives. Okay. Well, we will find out

CaminoPreacher59: Allegedly. Allegedly. But, uh, but, but no, um, silver though. I mean, silver is. You know, the son of Giovanni, he is, the team Rocket boss's son, and they, they really, they didn't touch on that until so silver in that event. So, I mean, obviously you had the Adventures Monga, which touched on it in a different way

David Hernandez: way.

CaminoPreacher59: before the games did.

But yeah, gen two, nothing. Absolutely nothing in the games.

David Hernandez: Well that's true. 'cause they also hinted at it. And this is what threw me off. 'cause me and my friend were really trying to dig into

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: They hinted at it in fire, a leaf crane when you battle the team rocket

CaminoPreacher59: Yes.

David Hernandez: the end. I think it [00:17:00] was like one of the uh,

CaminoPreacher59: His son.

David Hernandez: Not the Chevy Islands. Yeah. Yeah. Red hair. And for the longest time, me and my friend, we read that and we're like, wait, is it Lance? Because Lance has red hair. It's like, wait, Lanza seem rocky. we're just thinking like, how's it Lance? Like there's gotta be something more going to it. We couldn't figure it out.

And then once so silver happened, it's like, oh, that guy.

CaminoPreacher59: actually, uh, the so Silver Event, I actually coded that into, that took like three days. I coded the

David Hernandez: three

CaminoPreacher59: Celebr event, but

David Hernandez: god.

CaminoPreacher59: you're, as you're playing a silver, and one of my little, um, things with him is not only are you trying to, you know, get rid of Team Rocket, you're also, you know, just getting in your rivals way, getting in Golden Crystal's way, but you're tracking down Giovanni and Arianna, so it's, again, nothing he wouldn't have tried to do in the main game anyway, but.

the player wouldn't know that, so the main game wouldn't have told you that,

But yeah. Um, but no, that was, that was the main thing with, uh, with the rom hacks is other things about the rival character is obviously you've got, the main characters, red, gold, and they're, the wholesome, and then you've [00:18:00] got the other side of that coin where, okay, here's your rival. They're coming at it from a different place. They may have certain struggles, but the thing that gets me about rivals or anti-heroes, they don't necessarily care about, they don't have that moral compass developed quite yet, but they're very, they're capable.

And if they're not capable, they're gonna get capable. And that's kind of something.

You know, I've struggled with given my limitations, so I really kind of immersed myself in that story as well. on a personal level as far as, okay, but once you get in this case, power or capability, you know, are you gonna lose yourself to pride?

Are you going to learn to. reach out to other people and extend that grace and that mercy that, and essentially be that person you needed when you were down and out. but I mean, but silver eventually gets to that point because even in the main game, he, his character development, It changes quite a bit, especially toward the end when he gets acrobat. 'cause you know, if you know the game, [00:19:00] Lord, the only way you can get acrobat is, high friendship, high happiness. And that really speaks to his character. I mean, it's definitely a testament to how far he came.

David Hernandez: came. Yeah. before that Pokemon views of power, the characters that were ever, um, I'm sorry, ever interacted with

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah.

David Hernandez: were always saying like, you abuse your Pokemon, you're very ho on your Pokemon, whatever that meant in The Pokeball lore. But you know, like you said, the Corba signified that he learned his lesson, whatever that, um, that Pokemon are not meant just for tools that are meant

CaminoPreacher59: Right.

David Hernandez: I guess, companions.

CaminoPreacher59: I will say the main character deserved silver putting hands on him in the beginning because he wouldn't mind his business. It's like silver's looking in the window and you're like, Hey, no.

So don't, don't worry about it. Keep.

David Hernandez: that's his neighbor though. What are you expect him to do?

CaminoPreacher59: I mean, he was, he was creeping, but still, it's like, oh, well I, I'm trying to get a Pokemon. I don't care what this guy's doing. You know,

David Hernandez: Oh my gosh.

CaminoPreacher59: man,

David Hernandez: Uh, the possibilities are endless with, uh, how that can turn out. 'cause it's a, it's your [00:20:00] neighbor, but B you're right. It's like, eh, it's not your, not your lab, but.

CaminoPreacher59: uh, well, you know, when you, when you go speak to Mr. Pokemon and you get the call from Elm, you come back and you have to identify him. Obviously you're playing as silver in the romac, so yeah, you, you cut the power, you go in, you still, in this case it's toad dial. And when you go in, I have it to where it's dark, like in a cave where you use flash, but you can't use flash.

So it's just dark. So if you go and speak to Elm or the aids, they're like, Elm, forgot to pay the power bill again. And, you know, just, just simple stuff like that. But

David Hernandez: right?

CaminoPreacher59: try to go back to the lab. Silver basically stops you. And he is like, yeah, let me, let me get away from here. 'cause you know, the cops are probably, again, it's the main, the main story just from his place.

David Hernandez: Well, I guess when it comes to playing your romack, for those who may not familiar, what kind of experience do you hope they gain from just playing your games if they ever decide to dive into it?

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah. Um, well, as I, as I touched on before, um, just if you're a fan, obviously I, I want the, I want the nostalgia factor to be there. Um, there's plenty of other rom hacks. I mean, [00:21:00] ba what I did compared to other stuff out there. I mean, it's very basic by comparison, but like I said, my main thing was the storytelling and the redemption arc and just people hopefully can Put themselves in the main character shoes, in this case, blue or silver. Um,

David Hernandez: And

CaminoPreacher59: and just 

David Hernandez: kind of become, 

CaminoPreacher59: like I said, not only a capable person, but a but a gracious person and somebody who is able to, as you said, reach out to those people who, might be looked at in a different way. Um,

David Hernandez: Um.

CaminoPreacher59: and just

have that,

Have that kind of keep, keep them moving. Um, there is a couple of different instances in, uh, both of the hacks where the main characters, silver and blue have interactions to those effects. So I, I definitely look forward to people, people seeing that. But my, my main thing though is understanding that life can be, well, life is difficult for everybody, but.

You get to that point where you're like, okay, and everybody gets kind of down and out, you know, maybe this will be kind of your, your escape and your, your way to kind of, you know, just like, [00:22:00] just like Harry said, you know, that his way to, to kind of deal, in many ways was, in the, in The Pokeball arena.

And it, it makes a whole lot of sense and I'm sure plenty of other fans can resonate with that given, different life circumstances and certain things people go through. Um, so yeah, in my, in my case, I, I wanted to, I guess add an option with, uh, playing as the rivals and somebody else from a different perspective, and hopefully people can identify with that and relate to that in a different way.

David Hernandez: I think, you know, you said it perfectly perspective because it's so easy for us to just see our perspective, to see that, oh, maybe our way of viewing is the only way

CaminoPreacher59: You, yes.

David Hernandez: And as you mature or hopefully

CaminoPreacher59: Hopefully.

David Hernandez: as you get older and you learn from people who maybe are differently, you kind of realize that not wrong.

They just see things differently and you may not always agree with it. And that's the hardest thing is when you don't agree with it, but you kind of see where they're coming

CaminoPreacher59: But you can still have a civil dialogue.

David Hernandez: Hopefully.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah,

David Hernandez: Some people not so much, but here in As The Pokeball Turns that we strive to.

'cause sometimes, [00:23:00] right, some guests, they say things I don't agree with.

CaminoPreacher59: Of course.

David Hernandez: I see their perspective? Absolutely. That's why I headed this podcast and I got to 170 episodes in going

CaminoPreacher59: There you go.

David Hernandez: but, but that's the whole point is that we just kinda learn from each other and you know, we kind of agree to disagree on some things.

There's some things that.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah,

David Hernandez: talking, you might say something I'm never gonna agree with you

CaminoPreacher59: right.

David Hernandez: might say some stuff you may never agree on, but at the end of the day, we both like Pokemon and we're both, you know, here

CaminoPreacher59: you go.

David Hernandez: civil conversation on a, on a podcast.

CaminoPreacher59: And we both, and we both obviously have different, we may have different perspectives, but I mean, and I mean that's what perspective is. In order to see what I see, you have to be where I am. And a lot of people aren't willing to, aren't willing to stand in those places. I mean, whatever the, whatever the reason may be, you know, again, we're all growing differently and you never know, you know, something could, trigger somebody or something could be a source subject.

You know, you never know. And that's why you need to take that time and essentially. I'll say earn the right to speak into somebody's life. Because so many people tend to just, especially in the age of technology that we live in, you [00:24:00] know, keyboard warriors and everything else, like, oh, we're just gonna, paint with a broad brush, we're gonna label this.

I'm like, no, that's an individual, that is a person. And

you owe them the dignity of being a fellow human being to, okay, where are you coming from? And if they don't wanna tell, if they don't wanna talk about it, if you're not there yet, okay, that's fine. That's nothing against you. So. 

David Hernandez: So you mentioned earlier how your dad, for those who don't know, you have three kids, you know, that's a lot of responsibility.

CaminoPreacher59: that.

David Hernandez: has you being a parent affected both your Pokemon journey and how you kind of approach your time with both just ro hacking in the games themselves?

CaminoPreacher59: Well, I mean, I've pretty much, I've been, the, the racks have been complete for a while now. Uh, they're just now kind of getting out.

 But, uh, like I said, getting my kids on it and kind of seeing them kind of light up because they have their favorites and, yeah, it's, it is just great. I mean, any, any parent that was a Pokemon fan.

You see, you've seen the people do the thing where you put the baby in front of the three starters and let 'em pick it. I mean, it's just, it's such a good feeling and you just want them to have that and you've gotta kind of fight back the [00:25:00] whole impulse to, I'm not gonna tell you where to go. I'm not gonna tell you what to do.

You're gonna figure it out. No, you're gonna read that. And in my case, like we would set a time limit, uh, when my kids were like learning to read. Every once in a while I'd let 'em play. And it's like, no, you're gonna read this. And my son's like, I gotta get to the first gym. I'm like, well read faster. I mean, so, so, no, it, it was great, man.

But like I said, my, my biggest thing is with the kids, obviously family and my kids, my family comes first. So I, I still have the rom hacks up and available for people who wanna know about it, who, uh, definitely can reach out on Discord and everything. But when it comes down to it.

David Hernandez: down to

CaminoPreacher59: Um, I'm a huge proponent of,

when it comes down to your children and your legacy in, in, in my case, you have to be very self-aware and you have to be honest with yourself. You have to hold yourself accountable, uh, because in my case, uh, I found that

whatever demons you don't deal with will end up raising your children.

David Hernandez: yes. So

CaminoPreacher59: it's very.

David Hernandez: very,

CaminoPreacher59: It's very sobering and uh, it's something I don't take [00:26:00] lightly. So yeah, I'm very glad to be a part of the rom hacking community and contribute how I have,

 I'm sure people will continue to, to play those and I hope they do. But you know, right now, you know, my, you know, family's definitely.

Taking the top spot, obviously. So, uh, I don't see myself doing any more like full game stuff, but if anybody, you know, wants to say, have a starter or whatever, have something specific, um, they can reach out. I mean, it, honestly, it doesn't take much. So it's, uh, so yeah, just being able to, being able to do that again, just being, just getting back to the, being capable, I mean,

David Hernandez: I mean,

CaminoPreacher59: able to do something

David Hernandez: something

CaminoPreacher59: someone, I mean.

David Hernandez: I mean.

CaminoPreacher59: There was once a time where I was not able to do certain things for people. And now that I can, okay, am I gonna be a jackass? Am I gonna be, you know, am I gonna gatekeeper or am I gonna be like, yeah, sure. Here, you know, you never know what you're, well Harry's a perfect example. I had no idea he would react the way he did.

And like I said, I'm so glad I was in a place to be able to, to do that for him, you know?

David Hernandez: Well, I'm gonna finish this interview on this [00:27:00] last fun question. Okay. And I think you probably heard it from here. I can't remember if we did or not, but I want you to give me your dream Pokemon team. Gimme six

CaminoPreacher59: Oh

David Hernandez: have in a Pokemon battle.

CaminoPreacher59: six. Uh, oh man.

 Let me get, um, blast away.

Don Gold Duck Nile

Hound doom.

I'm not gonna go legendary.

David Hernandez: legendary. Um.

CaminoPreacher59: Gonna be that guy. Um, oh man. Last one.

Ursaring.

David Hernandez: Earth ring's the last one.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah. Yeah. That's a tank. Good.

David Hernandez: I never knew until I played Pokemon Go. Actually, I never used syringe.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah, dude, give him an nature and he, he's a monster. I

David Hernandez: Oh my God.

CaminoPreacher59: you get, if you get a female and Whitney can't use a track on you. Yeah. You're, you're sweeping.

David Hernandez: Welcome you, preacher. Thank you for coming. As The Pokeball Turns, before you go, if people want to connect with you or if they wanna find your rom hacks or if they just want to, you know, join your discord or whatever, where can they go?

By all means, please plug away.

CaminoPreacher59: Yeah. Um, you [00:28:00] can reach out to me personally on, uh, discord at Camino Preacher 59. I do have a, an actual discord for my Pokemon Hacks and my Sylvania Hacks, whichever one you prefer. Uh, we're still working on those, so there definitely works in progress. And yeah, just reach out to me personally or on the, uh, on the servers and we'll, we'll touch base, either me or one of the moderators.

And yeah, definitely look forward to anybody, anybody coming that way. And hopefully y'all can enjoy the games as much as I've enjoyed making 'em.

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