May 3, 2023
TRAINER'S EYE #36 - "Raid Duo Kyogre With No Weather Boost" ft. LegacyZelaya
LegacyZelaya takes us through his journey with Pokémon GO Raids, from the first trio and duo challenges to solo attempts, revealing his best tips for conquering tough Raids with fewer players. He shares unforgettable moments from GoFest Chicago and Go Tour Hoenn Las Vegas, plus insights into using Niantic Wayfarer to help shape the Pokémon GO world with new PokéStops and Gyms. Dive into his unique experience navigating the challenges of Raid battles and more in this exciting episode.
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02:15 - Introduction
03:41 - Interview with LegacyZelaya
22:08 - Thank You For Listening! :)
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All right,
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let's all jump into the rain.
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Mr.
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Go Public.
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The Cooper Valley is ah hell.
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What do they want?
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Time for us to go.
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Hello?
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Office.
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Is there a problem?
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Hopefully not.
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Did we missed a raid?
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The raid?
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Yes.
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You posted
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on Discord, a few raids, right?
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Well, yes.
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You got it here, Pokemon Go.
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Yes.
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Me and my partner play sometimes while we're patrolling.
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Really?
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Well go ahead and hop in with us.
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The coldest chore, man.
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The store lacks peek at you.
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Okay, let me go tell my partner how much Tom left.
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75 seconds linear time.
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Hey, the code is charming under strong.
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Speak at you.
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Hi, I'm in.
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Cool.
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Is it all right for me to change the station?
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Sure.
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Do you want to do another one after this?
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If game,
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I still need to shine for
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the, I'll ask him if we can join all.
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Welcome to As The Pokeball Turns! Where the stories are real and people still play this game.
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The RAID system debuted on June 23rd, 2017.
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At the time of launch, legendary raids were non-existent with players only having tier one to four raids.
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While tier one to two were easily done by one player.
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Tier three to four were challenging at the time with some trainers needing at least one to three additional players to defeat these raid bosses.
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However, there was a niche community at the time who saw the Raid system as a challenge and attempted two man, three man, and at time solo raid battles.
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For a while.
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Tier three Jolteon raids were impossible to solo.
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Tier three Alakazam raids were extremely difficult coming down to the last second.
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These and many other raid bosses presented a challenge for players.
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Nowadays, the idea of short manned raids arguably is a dying part of the game with most players turning their attention to shiny hunting or PVP.
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There still remains some people who attempt short man raids and there still remains short man raid boss challenges like the infamous tier three chuckle raid solo and certain tier five raid duos.
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My guest is one of those players who created content around raid solos and duos, and shares his experience attempting these challenges.
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From Dallas, Texas, here's his origin story into the world of Pokemon Go.
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This is LegacyZelaya! Today I'm joined by LegacyZelaya.
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Welcome to the show.
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Thank you for having me.
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I appreciate it.
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Definitely, man.
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And For me, I feel like it's a lost art in regards to doing short-manned raids because you don't really see that much anymore.
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And especially after the tier four raids merged with tier three.
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You just don't see too many Raid challenges anymore.
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People that did it in the beginning moved on to pvp.
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I think that kind of hurt a lot.
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Oh yeah.
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did you not go to PVP or just not your interest?
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Uh, it's, I do pvp, but it's not, I'm not really passionate about it.
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I do mostly just for the elite charge tm.
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So what's your way to play pokemon Go?
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You know, I just go to the park and I used to just use my Gotcha and just catch Pokemon and I just stream and host raids.
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That's like the only way I really play Pokemon these days and occasionally I'll do a duo or trio and put it on my channel, try to help people see what they can do cuz I'm trying to help people lower, especially now with them Nerf remote raiding, people are gonna need to do it on their own.
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I'm trying to show people how to do it with weaker Pokemon.
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They don't need as big a group to take down a legendary or a mega like I did.
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I gotcha.
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How, how many did you have to use for Mega Alakazam?
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Just curious.
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I used like level 20 legendaries, I had like Darkrai and Giratina.
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I have my mini account, I think a lot of people have mini accounts.
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I know it's kind of like frowned upon by some people, but that's what it is what it is.
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Well, let me ask you this, so when did you first start playing Pokemon go?
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Started playing September of 2016.
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I didn't play the first two months, all my friends were playing and I was like, I'm not gonna play this game Catch Pokemon.
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They were going out every weekend and then eventually I was kind of like, all right, I'll join you guys, cuz it looked like they were having a lot of fun.
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You eventually catered into the peer pressure, it sounds like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I did.
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What got you hooked?
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Because obviously you're still playing, so something must have caught your interest about Pokemon Go.
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Well, at first when I first started playing, me and all my friends were instinct, so, you know, we were the underdog team.
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So we did gyms, that was like the first thing, my first goal was just gyms.
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We would like make the level 10 gyms and build them up.
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One of my best friends' name is a legacy Los, we would just leave seven spots open in the 10 gyms, so that random instinct Trainers could just come in and slot in.
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Cause the goal back then cuz I think in the old days, you could collect, I think it was 5,000 stardust and a hundred coins.
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Right?
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I believe it was like every 18 hours or something like that.
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It wasn't every 24.
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I don't remember.
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It was such a long time ago.
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Yeah, that, And obviously trying to get to level 40, those were like my goals.
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Back then, there was just nothing around, there was no raids, no PVP, nothing, the game was very basic back then.
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Right?
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Basically it was just catching and spinning stops and I think that was about it, we didn't even have daily bonuses either, that's the real little shocker for some people
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it was nothing.
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It looks like, like a buddy and the Pokemon were just mostly like Pidgeys wild.
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I don't think there was even any shinies, There was no Shinies either.
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Uhuh, that didn't come out until I think, uh, probably almost two years after, I think, cause the first one we got was shiny Magikarp.
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Right, I don't remember when it was though.
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eventually I met other instinct trainers and we started like, you know, working together to own our area cuz we just dominated our area with instinct And eventually I hit level 40.
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I was like one of the first people in my area to hit Level 40.
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Do you remember when it was?
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It was like May of 2017.
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Oh wow.
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That's pretty quick.
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Yeah.
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May of 2017.
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I did it before raids even came out.
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Yeah, cuz raids came out that year in July, so two months before
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Yeah, and then I stopped playing after that.
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Took like a few months off the game.
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Actually.
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I completely stopped playing.
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was that just cuz you hit level 40 or?
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I just didn't have any more goals.
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It was kinda like I hit level 40.
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Gym system changed at the same time.
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I dunno if you remember when they changed it.
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Yes.
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Cause that's when they introduced raids and we got the current system now that still lives on or dies on or whatever you consider it.
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I think the gym system now sucks.
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That's something Niantic needs to change.
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It's an aspect of the game that they could fix, I don't know how, but...
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Let me ask you this, like, what would you like to see different?
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I know you don't know how, but like what role would you like to see it play in the game?
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I don't, I don't know.
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It's,
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Would you like to go back to the old ways or,
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I think like a balance of the new system and the old system.
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The problem is the old system, it like lower players had had no chance.
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I, I remember people hated those Blissey towers, the local 10 bliss towers.
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Oh Lord, yes.
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I love, I used to love building them.
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So when raids came about, is that kind of what brought you back into the game?
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I took the three months off Pokemon Go and I was like done.
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I was not gonna play because I didn't see the point, like, like everything happened.
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Like they changed the gym system, right?
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And I hit level 40, so I didn't have any more goals and then Legendaries came out and my friends told me, yeah, you can't throw them in a gym, so I'm like, well, what's the point of me going around spending, a dollar or raid pass to get a Pokemon that I can't even throw in a gym?
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I met, Kaito Nolan.
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Actually, I already knew Kaito Nolan from the old gym system.
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She was doing all these solos back then.
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She knew me cuz I was like one of the first level forties in our area and then she knew my friend Los, he was also one of the highest level players in our area and so was she.
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And then she was like, okay, I want to trio.
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She was trying to trio Entei and she didn't have any partners so she asked my friend Lowe's and she was like, can you ask Oscar to come out and he help us with this trio?
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So we came, we tried the Entei Trio, and we failed the first time.
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So that kind of lit a fire in me, I was like,"oh wow," cause we were so close, like the game was just so much different back then.
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Like there was like no battle parties, there was nothing, it was just really hard, like I remember we had to faint Pokemon so that it would auto select like Golem and stuff, otherwise we would pick like Gyarados and a bunch of other stuff.
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I forgot all about that.
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Holy Crud.
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Yeah.
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This is wet.
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Had nothing back then.
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No weather.
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I don't even think the weather system was out back then.
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Yeah.
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They didn't come until, uh, Hoen arrived and that wasn't until 2018.
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Yeah, so almost a full year after that.
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Right.
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Basically, that's what brought me back and then I got inspired.
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We failed the Entei trio and I was like, okay, I need to go get more Golems, so I started playing Pokemon Go again.
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Right.
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And that's kind of, it sounds like the challenge of trying to beat a raid boss with very few players, I guess, was a way for you to kind of get motivated with the game cause it made the game, it gave you a challenge.
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It gave me a challenge and, and like, you know, just, I enjoy doing it.
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whereas before my goal was the gym system, and then once that died I was like, oh, I don't really have anything else to do and then, Kaito showed me the, you know, the Entei trio and I was like, okay, this is fun, you know, I want to try this.
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Ever since then, I have been playing in nonstop.
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I wanna talk about the trios real quick, cuz I saw a lot, you have a lot of content on your YouTube with trios and duos and even some solos.
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So first question I wanna ask is like, what kind of preparation does it take to get to that point to where you can start doing Short man raids?
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Well, you gotta have the right counters and I use PokeBattlr.com.
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Mm-hmm.
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I usually go in there and I just look at the top counters and I go based off the move set, and I look at the faint, and the time to win, and that's how I determine can this Raid boss be duo or trio?
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So it all comes down to the faints and the time to win.
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I look at the numbers and that's how I'll come up with the unique lineups that I used to do also.
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Then you also take into account like friendship, weather boost, and then now with the Mega Boost, the mega boost is a little bit trickier, but that's another thing that I also look at now.
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What's the most difficult one that comes to mind to try to do like a solo duo or trio?
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There's a lot.
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I've done so many, but one of the hardest ones that I can remember on the top of my head, I think it was, Altered Form Giratina Duo.
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I think the moveset was Ancient power.
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That's like one of the hardest, hardest duos I that I can think of, also the Kyogre duo, I also did Kyogre duo with all Electivire.
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Now this was like, I think back then the damage was different for Raids.
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I think it was half, I don't know what it's called.
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It was like 1.6 damage multiplier or something like that.
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So like the, Pokemon just did more damage in raids.
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They changed it back in, 2019, but those two duos are the ones that come to my mind.
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It was the Kyogre Duo and the Altered Form Giratina Duo.
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Those two were very difficult.
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Well, let's fast forward to present day real quick.
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Do you have any raid bosses in mind that, you want to do, but you haven't really figured out how to do it yet?
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Or is most Ray bosses easy nowadays?
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No, some of them are for duos, some duos are tough like me and one of my friends, miss Sato, she's from Italy.
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Her and I, we tried to do Lugia recently without a weather boost.
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It's tough.
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We actually fail, cause now with the Primal Kyogre and Groudon, they boost Pokemon, They don't even have to be in the raid like normal megas, which I didn't know that until recently.
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That's a game changer, so basically you just put Kyogre at the sixth slot and it's gonna boost your Pokemon or your partners, that's a 30% boost, so Kyogre is boosting electric water and bug.
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It doesn't even have to be in the raid, so it's a huge game changer.
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There's some tough duos like I think the Uxie duo was pretty tough.
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Sometimes you have to find like the foggy weather or snow weather, like, I think like rayquaza solo, you need snowy weather, so that's the real challenge.
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A lot of times, me and my friends and joke, like the real challenge is finding the weather like snow or fog, especially fog, we're always looking for fog.
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Fog is so rare.
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For you to be able to power up these Pokemon must have cost a lot of stardust.
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So in your area, like where's the place to go to play?
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Like where did you go grind?
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I don't grind as much as I used to.
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Now I'm, just more focused on other stuff, plus I already have like a decent team, or I used to go play at Fort Worth is, okay, downtown Fort Worth used to like go in there on the weekends, there's a place called Sundance Square or Panther Island, that's okay, but where I used to grind a lot, there's like a Home Depot, a bunch of stores, and they have a bunch of spawns there.
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So I used to just drive around all the stores with my Gotcha, sometimes I would fast catch and I could just catch a bunch of Pokemon, cuz it's based on cell phone data, so that's why there's just a bunch of Pokemon there.
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We would sit there and just fast catching it would take us like a few minutes.
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So it sounds like the places to go for your area is not really the parks, but it sounds like the parking lots.
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Yeah.
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It just better Parks aren't that great unless there's a bunch of stops at the parks, they're just okay.
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It's weird, you would think the parks are the better places, but it's not, at least in my area, it's not.
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There was one, I think it's called 54th Street.
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There's like two Pokestops there.
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It's like this bear with a beer or something, that's like the number one place we would go to.
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close to Dallas.
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We would always go there after community day.
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So before Pokemon Go, did you have any experience with Pokemon in general?
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Did you play the main Sears games at all?
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Yeah, I played, uh, X and Y and I played, uh, what was the other game?
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Well, sun and Moon came out during Pokemon Go.
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I played like the early games, like gold and silver, and I read Leaf green.
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I played all those when I was a kid.
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I just played the story, you know, just beat the Elite Four then I don't play again after that.
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I played, uh, sun and Moon.
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I played, uh, shoot and Sword, but I didn't play like Scarlet and Violet.
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I don't know, Now that I'm streaming more, I just don't, I just didn't have time to play the main series anymore.
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Do you have any favorite Pokemon at all?
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I know a lot of people have like one Pokemon that's like their absolute favorite.
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if I had to just pick one, I have to say, Kyogre.
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Between Kyogre, Gyarados and Blastoise.
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If I had to pick one out out of those three, I would say Kyogre.
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It sounds like you favor the water type a little bit.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You talk about how you did content creation, you make videos and stuff like that, you stream.
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What made you wanna start doing that?
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I think cuz Kaito was doing it first.
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